Saturday, November 08, 2008

Why Ban RSS let us BAN HINDUISM

I have been hearing loud noises about banning RSS,VHP, Bajrang Dal etc. People are comparing these organizations with SIMI. Certain Politicians would like us to believe that VHP is worse then SIMI.
In this shrill of Banning RSS, I am reminded of the Bande Matram controversy in British India. Bande Matram was the most respected song of Indian Nationalists, sung by all and sundry whosoever was involved in the Freedom Struggle. A controversy erupted because a vague Muslim League leader objected to it. Thereafter as because certain Muslim League leaders began opposing it, a mid path was charted out by the Indian National Congress Secularist Leaders. They dropped the last four stanzas of the song Bande Matram and retained only the first two stanzas. Jinnah on gaining a toehold refused to accept this appeasement and demanded total ban on Bande Matram.
Similarly today if the Government on vote bank politics accepts the Ban on RSS. Tomorrow the so called Jinnahs present in India today would not accept this appeasement too. They would demand a Ban on HINDUISM it self.
The Media has a skewed BENCHMARK for Hinduism. The English Media largely perceive that for Hinduism the PASS MARKS are 100%. They have examined Hinduism on this anvil and have declared it to be a Domain of Fanatics. Their PASSMARKS for the MINORITIES is 10%. So as long as 100% of them do not resort to violence they are acceptable and preferable over Hindus.
So its better for the Government and its SECULAR POLITICAL leaders to go the whole distance in one go and BAN HINDUISM instead of taking one step at a time by banning RSS,VHP etc.,. As Hitler had banned Jews, and as one Pragya has been arrested, the secularists have the excuse and grounds. Now they can conveniently carry out the agenda of our neighbors and Ban Hinduism.

After all did not the west always chide Hinduism as an obscurantist religion? Did not Marx say Hinduism is opium of masses and Opium is a Bad thing? You are saying he said Religion instead of Hinduism. OK so let us Ban Religion with a rider that minorities would be free to profess, propagate, and proselytize. After all they have the first right on all national resources including NATIONAL CONSCIOUS. Their rights to do any thing and every thing are secured by Minority commission, Sacchhar Commission etc. Consequently the only Majority religion that’s Hinduism would stand Banned and baby does it not deserve to be banned. The so called secular Hindus are majorly apologetic of being a Hindu as if they have already sinned having taken Birth in a Hindu Family. Hindi, Hindu and Hindustan are pejorative terms. So I don’t think there would be much of a protest over it. Arrest of few more sadhus and sadhvis would throw such a scare amongst the so called scarce vocal Hindus that they would not raise their decibels.

The History as interpreted by Aligarh Muslim University and Jawaharlal Nehru University and what is being treated as the real Indian history, has all praises for the Muslim rule saying that it brought emancipation and sense of progressive ideas to the land of India. Though Historians viz., Jadu Nath Sircar and K S Lal have written that at least 50 Million Hindus were either converted or Killed during 1000AD to 1500AD. Murder and conversion of Hindus is of no consequence to the Eminent Historians of India. The destruction of Temples and other worship places viz., Ram Janm Bhoomi ,Krishna Janm Bhoomi and at least 500 such others, were instruments of emancipation of Hindus.
That was yesterday. Today the so called secular leaders blamed BJP and RSS for Amarnath Problem. A minor land issue was blown out of proportion by Huriyat and PDP. The spineless National Conference leaders succumbed to the pressure of the separatist forces. The media went to market blaming RSS. The National Flag carrying masses of Jammu were compared with the Pakistan flag carrying separatist forces. So the premium is on the Pakistani flag as compared to our Tricolour.

As it is a large segment of Indian Muslims even today do believe that Hindus do not how to rule. It’s the Muslims who have been the brave and courageous enough to wield weapon and hence knew how to rule the subservient Hindus. (FACT: In British India the India army had 50% Muslims.) That’s the reason they (25%) were able to rule over majority (75%) Hindus for such a long period.
So let the Hindus become subservient to the rest of the society. Don’t they deserve the servitude? Even Mahatma Gandhi said that “An average Hindu is a Coward”
Our PM too has reiterated it by saying that “Muslims must have the first right over national resources”. This is what Aurangzeb also meant, when he imposed Jaziya tax on Hindus. He stated that Hindus must pay extra taxes to be treated at par with Muslims. So Hindus were second class citizens then and they should remain so now or better still deprive them of citizenship. So let us once again herald the GOLDEN ERA and Ban Hinduism

The Changes under the Banning of Religion Act shall be as under
1) Saying I am a Hindu (proudly or sheepishly) would be treated as an act of sedition and attract disenfranchisement.
2) Performing overt Hindu acts viz., Hawan, Yagya would be treated as acts encouraging disobedience and shall be punishable under unlawful assembly act.
3) People naming their Children after the names of Hindu Gods viz., Ram or Krishna would be deemed heretics and deprived from getting Jobs in Government and PSU,s.
4) The Gita in court would be replaced by a picture of the Scion of Gandhi Family (as they alone are the real patriots in India).
5) The Ashok emblem would be replaced by a Picture of Babar, as Moguls only brought emancipation.
6) The Tricolour to be reduced to Bicolour. As the Saffron colour is the colour of the Hindu Forces.


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9 comments:

Aman Kumar said...

You told me that you wrote a "fundamentalist" post. But it was a post lacking fundamentals. I think it’s just an angry diatribe and to me, sounds like a loud outburst of sheer frustration for lack of arguments. You should have at least justified the title by enlightening us on why do you think banning RSS and its sister organizations amounts to ban on Hinduism and for that matter who appointed sangh pariwar representative of Hindus and Hinduism. But frankly, I was expecting some arguments and counter arguments over the demand to ban bajrang dal and co. Anyways here is my take on what you wrote instead:

{I have been hearing loud noises about banning RSS,VHP, Bajrang Dal etc. People are comparing these organizations with SIMI. Certain Politicians would like us to believe that VHP is worse then SIMI.}
Ok. Then what? Why we should or shouldn’t believe them? And I don’t think majority of mainstream so called “pseudo secularist” are demanding a ban on RSS anyways. We are more worried about the militant activities of organizations like Bajrang Dal n VHP. Gujrat riots, recent attacks on churches in various parts on d country and recent revelations about their role in bomb blasts in Malegaon, Ajmer, Hyderabad and other places provides enough ground to at least demand an enquiry and ban on orgs supposedly behind it in a democratic country.

{In this shrill of Banning RSS, I am reminded of the Bande Matram controversy in British India. Bande Matram was the most respected song of Indian Nationalists, sung by all and sundry whosoever was involved in the Freedom Struggle. A controversy erupted because a vague Muslim League leader objected to it. Thereafter as because certain Muslim League leaders began opposing it, a mid path was charted out by the Indian National Congress Secularist Leaders. They dropped the last four stanzas of the song Bande Matram and retained only the first two stanzas. Jinnah on gaining a toehold refused to accept this appeasement and demanded total ban on Bande Matram.}
If certain parts of a song in any terms, hurt the sentiments of the largest minority community of a country, I don’t think it would be useful to continue it as a song for nationalist movement.

{Similarly today if the Government on vote bank politics accepts the Ban on RSS. Tomorrow the so called Jinnahs present in India today would not accept this appeasement too. They would demand a Ban on HINDUISM it self.}
Congratulations on your day dreaming. Ban on Hinduism? Havent you gone a bit too far with your imagination just to justify the title of your post?

{The Media has a skewed BENCHMARK for Hinduism. The English Media largely perceive that for Hinduism the PASS MARKS are 100%. They have examined Hinduism on this anvil and have declared it to be a Domain of Fanatics. Their PASSMARKS for the MINORITIES is 10%. So as long as 100% of them do not resort to violence they are acceptable and preferable over Hindus.}
No one is saying that. Hindus have always been exemplary when it comes to following principles of religious tolerance and inclusiveness. We should be judged on our past ideals and behavior. And if media is keeping a strict check on our direction its commendable.

{As Hitler had banned Jews, and as one Pragya has been arrested, the secularists have the excuse and grounds. }
Comparison of Jews extermination with d arrest of Pragya is laughable at best.

{After all did not the west always chide Hinduism as an obscurantist religion? Did not Marx say Hinduism is opium of masses and Opium is a Bad thing? You are saying he said Religion instead of Hinduism. OK so let us Ban Religion with a rider that minorities would be free to profess, propagate, and proselytize.}
I don’t need to comment. You create your own hypothesis then mould it in a way that suits you and then ridicule it yourself. I am not sure what you want to do.
{ The so called secular Hindus are majorly apologetic of being a Hindu as if they have already sinned having taken Birth in a Hindu Family. Hindi, Hindu and Hindustan are pejorative terms. So I don’t think there would be much of a protest over it. }
Really?

{The History as interpreted by Aligarh Muslim University and Jawaharlal Nehru University and what is being treated as the real Indian history, has all praises for the Muslim rule saying that it brought emancipation and sense of progressive ideas to the land of India. Though Historians viz., Jadu Nath Sircar and K S Lal have written that at least 50 Million Hindus were either converted or Killed during 1000AD to 1500AD. Murder and conversion of Hindus is of no consequence to the Eminent Historians of India. The destruction of Temples and other worship places viz., Ram Janm Bhoomi ,Krishna Janm Bhoomi and at least 500 such others, were instruments of emancipation of Hindus.}
History books all over the world are written with certain objectives in mind. History that is taught to children should not create hatred and unrest in the society. We have to be very careful while telling truth to little kids. Although I myself would agree with your sentiment in a sense that we need to accept certain harsh truths as they are in our history books. Having said that, everyone has his own truth, specially, when it comes to interpreting past events. So I would reject your truth as you have presented it.

{That was yesterday. Today the so called secular leaders blamed BJP and RSS for Amarnath Problem. A minor land issue was blown out of proportion by Huriyat and PDP. The spineless National Conference leaders succumbed to the pressure of the separatist forces. The media went to market blaming RSS. The National Flag carrying masses of Jammu were compared with the Pakistan flag carrying separatist forces. So the premium is on the Pakistani flag as compared to our Tricolour.}
It is such a one sided and biased analysis of a very sensitive and complex issue that I wont even comment on that.

{As it is a large segment of Indian Muslims even today do believe that Hindus do not how to rule.}
A large section of hindus even today do believe that moon is just an ornament that Shiv is wearing on his hair sitting somewhere in himalyas and Ganga is emanation from his hair. How useful is that observation?
{Even Mahatma Gandhi said that “An average Hindu is a Coward” }
Taken outa context as you previously did. We had talked about it in detail before.

{Our PM too has reiterated it by saying that “Muslims must have the first right over national resources”. }
He meant that everyone has equal right. But certain sections who have been left behind should be first among equals. It was in a certain context when he was mentioning abut Sachchar committee’s report. So don’t distort it as media has done it.
{This is what Aurangzeb also meant, when he imposed Jaziya tax on Hindus. He stated that Hindus must pay extra taxes to be treated at par with Muslims. So Hindus were second class citizens then and they should remain so now or better still deprive them of citizenship. So let us once again herald the GOLDEN ERA and Ban Hinduism}
Hinduism wasn’t banned even in the “GOLDEN ERA”. You did it again… by comparing manmohan singh with Aurangzeb. By the way, no one including muslim scholars consider Aurangzeb era the golden era. Neither he is consider a gud person let alone a gud muslim. My history teacher used to say “Auranzeb ne ek namaz nahi chhodi (he used to pray five times), lekin ek bhai bhi nahi chhoda (he killed all his brothers to get d throne)”

In d end all I would like to say is we are killing d idea of Hinduism ourself. If it continued we wont need to ban it. But, I am still very hopeful as Iqbal said,
“kuchh baat hai ki hasti mit ti nahi humari
Sadiyon raha hai dushman, daur-e-jahan humara”
We will survive sangh parivar as well :)

kuldip said...

Well Aman I do not want to argue. You are talking from the perches of idealism. Thats at such a stratospheric height that the ground realities are not perceptible. What one sees is only a very Macro view. Such views do not show the blemishes,the weeds growing in the lawn.Every thing looking green is Turf with no weeds.
Lalu and Mulayam did ask for a ban on RSS.
Gujrat Riots of 2002 were a reaction to Godhara.Recent attacks on Churches in Orissa and Karnataka are mere reactions to more ghastly deeds by the other community viz., killing of a saint in Orissa.
No narco has been done of the people arrested in Batala house.Mr amar singh has presnted a cheque for one million for legal aid.
If whatever ATS says is Gospel truth for some one. it only shows his prejudices.Yes an impartial enquiry is in order.Though if Malegaon is in reaction, it can not be justified. Yet the perpetrators of the original crime are bigger culprit.
It all started with ethnic cleansing of Kashmir.Which the "secularists" are blaming on Jagmohan and not kashmiri militants.
I can at best laugh over your explanation of Bandematram episode.It did not hurt the sentiments of muslims for at least 20 years.they all sang it.
Tomorrow the muslims might something else equally inocuous as offnsive and we might change it to appease them. viz., using Gita in court or using ashoka stambh on several state institutions.We should or would have to change them.
So along with media you too is a votary for the 100% passmarks for Hindus.Or else brand them as terrorists. KUDOS.
Jaziya tax was equivalent to banning Hinduism. Muslims are backward all over the world.The 57 muslim countries have all the rights and yet backward.So the first right or sole rights wd hardly help them. Its just appeasement.
The same Iqbal whom you have quoted was a very strong supporter of two nation theory.

kuldeep kumar mishra said...

I am shory............

ummed Singh Baid "saadahak " said...

no time to read so lenthy articles...soory....ummed

Aman Kumar said...

{Well Aman I do not want to argue. You are talking from the perches of idealism. Thats at such a stratospheric height that the ground realities are not perceptible. What one sees is only a very Macro view. Such views do not show the blemishes,the weeds growing in the lawn.Every thing looking green is Turf with no weeds. }

Can we please come to the point instead of saying things that can be said about anyone in almost any situation about anything without meaning absolutely anything.


{Lalu and Mulayam did ask for a ban on RSS.}

They are politicians and are in a minority in making such a demand. I said majority of people are not demanding a ban on RSS. I stick to that.


{Gujrat Riots of 2002 were a reaction to Godhara.Recent attacks on Churches in Orissa and Karnataka are mere reactions to more ghastly deeds by the other community viz., killing of a saint in Orissa.}

Everyone that does something wrong is says its just a reaction to something.


{No narco has been done of the people arrested in Batala house.Mr amar singh has presnted a cheque for one million for legal aid.}

Police has still not produced reports in the court despite court’s repeated reprimands.


{If whatever ATS says is Gospel truth for some one. it only shows his prejudices.}

No one now believes Indian police n security agencies.


{It all started with ethnic cleansing of Kashmir.Which the "secularists" are blaming on Jagmohan and not kashmiri militants.}

They say it all started in 1947 and you again say it started with Babur. All the best. Someday we will find the crux of the problem and solve it.


{I can at best laugh over your explanation of Bandematram episode.It did not hurt the sentiments of muslims for at least 20 years.they all sang it.}

Muslims still sing it. The Vandey matram that I am familiar with and I listen to is sung and composed by AR Rahman.


{Tomorrow the muslims might something else equally inocuous as offnsive and we might change it to appease them. viz., using Gita in court or using ashoka stambh on several state institutions.We should or would have to change them.}

No one is doing that. Btw you should start writing fiction. You are gud at it.


{So along with media you too is a votary for the 100% passmarks for Hindus.Or else brand them as terrorists. KUDOS.}

No one has branded hindus as terrorists. But if some hindus are indulging in terrorist activities I cannot shut my eyes.


{Jaziya tax was equivalent to banning Hinduism. }

How come? Banning of Hinduism is what is happens in Saudi Arabia.


{Muslims are backward all over the world.The 57 muslim countries have all the rights and yet backward.So the first right or sole rights wd hardly help them. Its just appeasement. }

Being Muslim doesn’t not make anyone backward. Not all the Muslim countries are backward. Gulf countries and Turky are a few examples. All other Muslim counties are African/Asian. So share some characteristics with other non-Muslim African/Asian countries. Btw, one can also reach to the conclusion that all hindu majority countries are also backward (India and Nepal). Although I m not doing that. This is like distorting facts.


{The same Iqbal whom you have quoted was a very strong supporter of two nation theory.}

So what?

You would say all random things despite the fact that you don’t want to argue. But wont answer two simple questions that you should have answered in the very beginning that
1) What makes you think that ban on RSS amounts to ban on Hinduism.
2) What are your counter arguments against the ban?
I will wait for you responses.

kuldip said...

Please clarify what do you mean by it all stated with 1947.The only explanation i cd fathom is my old theory,"The Indian Mulsims do believe that ,they should had been handed over the power by british ,as the Britishers had usurped it from them".Hence they continue to have a disgruntlement.
I shall respond to other points after i recv yr clarification.

Aman Kumar said...

{Please clarify what do you mean by it all stated with 1947.}

This is in context to the Kashmir problem. You mentioned that "it" all started with ethnic cleansic of Hindus in Kashmir. But the issue of Kashmir started in 1947. Hope the doubt got clarified :)

kuldip said...

1)"fundamentalist" post. But it was a post lacking fundamentals.
Thats a subjective assesment and does not deserve any comment.
2)militant activities of organizations like Bajrang Dal n VHP.Newtons principle hads been defied in all actions have equal and opposite reaction.Reaction has been with an intensity of 1% to the ACTION.
3)If certain parts of a song in any terms, hurt the sentiments of the largest minority community of a country....:- most of the ardent observers know that the bogey was raised by a section of separatists and it did not have any real reflection of a HURT.
4) if media is keeping a strict check on our direction its commendable.
The shrill of Hindu Terrorism only gave Pakistan a handle to justify all acts of their sponsorships and exports of terrorism::
The way a politically motivated case kept 90% ATS busy serving the intrest of Politicians,the results are evident in retrospective.
5)moon is just an ornament that Shiv is wearing on his hair sitting somewhere in himalyas and Ganga is emanation from his hair:: Well this is SILLI personified.I have come across dozens of such articles in Pakistani press and Indian Muslims mouthing these sentiments.I am yet to come across a single Hindu who bel abt Ganges and Shiva.
6)They say it all started in 1947 and you again say it started with Babur.
Again more verbiage then argument.A small miniscule minority believes that the current manifestation is the consequence of event started in 1947. Most believe the genesis lies in 1971,the bifurcation of pakistan.Again I hv read several articles in Pakistan Press wherein they have stated that it was in 1971 the first btime that the Muslims lost to Hindus ( a coward cast). Pakistan has been itching for a revenge. The basis of Pak army's hegemony lies in projecting India as the arch enemy.Their efforts began in 80's in Punjab.After 84/85 as they failed in their nefarious activities there, they diverted their focus on Kashmir. Meanwhile Afghanistan had happened and they had recd loads of arms too as an added incentive.Your beloved PM till yesterday had been proclaiming that no India Muslims are involved in terrorism in India.So the bogey of 1947 does not cut ice.

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